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Yugoslavia: forget me if you can (Belgrade version)

Thursday, 03 April 2008

Forget me if you can

‘Ako Mozes, Zaboravi’ by the Yugoslav rock band Bijelo Dugme keeps playing over and over again while he relishes his cup of tea in the balcony of the notorious flat in the city centre of Belgrade.

He has been sitting there for the last 2 hours observing how his lovely Belgrade has altered its shape from being the capital of Yugoslavia chanting ‘Slobo, Slobo’, to the capital of Serbia chanting ‘Putin, Putin’.

As he flicks through the Serbian daily ‘Politika’, renowned for its omnipotence in nationalistic propaganda, a wave of yugo-nostalgia embraces him. He fanatically remembers the good old days of the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia. What a brilliant life? Every Friday, at 3.00pm once he had finished his job at Jugobanka, he would jump on his Yugo 45 car and go to Dubrovnik with his wife for a weekend’s seaside trip. No need for passports, great salaries and a high living standard – it can’t get any better. Ironically, the CD player persistently plays ‘Ako Mozes, Zaboravi’ which means Forget me if you can. He wonders whether this is a coincidence or maybe the song is appealing to him, asking him to forget the good old days, simply because they are over.

He chooses to ignore anything that asks him to forget his bewitching Yugoslavia, because he feels like an orphan without it. However, he is perfectly aware that currently he is an orphan because no such thing as Yugoslavia exists any longer. ‘Blame those Albanians’ is the only expression that makes him relieved; ‘Those Albanians set fire to the Yugo-dream that we fostered for all this time’ is another expression that he receives as a pain killer when facing the non-existence of Yugoslavia.

It’s Friday today and it is nearly 3.00pm. He turns on his television waiting for the news of RTS. He never thought that he would be in his sofa on a sunny Friday of 2008 watching the news. Dubrovnik is the way forwards, but now he needs a passport, otherwise those damn Croatians won’t let him in.

The RTS 3 o’clock news just started and the headlines say something about Kosovo. His pain and nostalgia gets even worse now. The cultural land of his country is now stolen by some people that emigrated from Albania and overpopulated his Kosovo. His nerves start fraying as he thinks how unfair the world can be. He is gobsmacked wondering whether there is no justice in this world anymore and he wants to know how on earth someone can be independent by chopping off his heart and his heritage.

The future seems even more mundane and worrying. He knows that his fellow Serbs cannot carry on living as orphans, neither can he. He reluctantly realises that the Great Grandmother Yugoslavia has passed away and he needs a new shelter. Mother Russia, Grandfather Putin or potentially Medvedev seem the only people that leniently embrace his nation. According to him, all others are traitors, including the nonchalant looking Boris Tadic and his flattery attitude towards the EU – yes, those Europeans that ‘stop him from going to Dubrovnik every Friday’.

By Kreshnik Hoxha

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Shpresa said:

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I never lived in Tito`s Yugoslavia, but my parents did, and now I feel sorry for them that they worked so hard and contributued so much to build it, and never enjoyed or saw the fruit of their work. For so many years a portion of my dad`s salary went towards building the new Belgrade, and I walked the unpaved roads of Kosova named "Brotherhood and Unity" so naively thinking that soon it will be our turn to get our fair share of Yugoslavia(and what did we get...)....I was so dissaponted to learn that Kosova was never in the agenda of Yugoslavia....for those who say Yugoslavia was good all I can say is that I`m glad someone got something good out of it.

April 12, 2008
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roberto r said:

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thank you Azdren (and others) -- i was very touched by your comments, by your life. i have tried many times, so very many times, to open a meaningful dialogue on b-92, but it is almost impossible, and now many (not all) of my posts get censored. thank god for this new kosovar report! i am so unhappy and disappointed in b-92, i can hardly be objective at this point.

anyway, whether or not Yugoslavia is dead as a doornail, it does not mean that we must give up our humanity and ideals. that would truly spell defeat. i do agree that much of the madness has been caused and perpetuated by greedy, amoral individuals, who care little about ideology -- they cloak themselves in ideology, but the main point is more power, money, and spreading fear and hate. they accrue so much power; somehow we humans allow that to happen, and shame on us...

i will say some true and also difficult things now: i have lost some good frnds, many "close" frnds, due to our opposing feelings about nationalism, war crimes, independence for kosova, etc. at first i thought they were cool, hip, "liberated" -- but it seems they too have been conditioned by (serbian) nationalism. the loss of these relationships hurts a great deal! but i have to be true to myself and my principles, ultimately.

also, we are working on a book about the former yugoslavia, focusing on the stories of about 75 different men and women from all over the former yugoslavia. i'm not promoting it here, i'm just saying it in the interest of transperency. our future work will focus on ww2 in the former yugoslavia and albania. i am so sick of the lies i have to hear and read about what "really" happened during the war, when i think i know better. we have already found much personal documentation, stories of jews being saved (in sarajevo, for example) -- of partisans and german collaborators -- there are so many fascinating and also tragic stories. we hope to document some of them, and help set the record straight...

thank you gain, NKR, for hosting our discussion and taking the high road in journalism, esp. since my B92 has sunk so low.

robert-0 from san francisco

April 09, 2008
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Zoran Duke of Kosovo said:

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Hi my Kosovars friends
Just to remain you not all Serbs agreed with Milosevic politics, otherwise non of you wd survive 90’s … and we had to leave country too … but that's our karma
Now is your turn to show you’re better people then Serbs … you don’t have eternity … so use your time wisely. Hope you will not make same mistake like Slobo.
Wish you best luck in your endeavor
Regards
Zoran &Co.

April 09, 2008
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Azdren said:

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@Roberto R.

hate hate; oppress oppression; fear fear; love love... etc.

I am an ethnic Albanian from Macedonia. I am currently in Florida, USA studying Aerospace Engineering and I.R. I left Macedonia in Aug. '01, before the small civil war ended in western MK. I lived their during Kosova (Kosova because that is how we Albanians call it, as apposed to how it is spelled in English). I have a lot of Albanian friends, and many great Macedonian friends. I was recently in a relationship with a Macedonian girl with some Serb blood in her. We broke up on February 18th, a day after Kosova declared it's independence. Because I supported its independence she said I "support killers" (i.e. the KLA terrorists).

I am replying to you because you asked what I think about B92. The fact of the matter is that B92 has been an outlet for propaganda for the radical ultra-nationalists. In some discussions with my ex, she revealed something truly scary. This very rational 'open minded,' smart, sensitive, nourishing, loving person was poisoned with the dark politics of ethnic divisions which has scarred the Balkans.

I myself have a deep sense of nostalgia for many aspects of Yugoslavia. My grandfather was an officer in JNA, my father a professor of the Arts. People in Sarajevo never dreamed that war could ever come there, where Serbs, Bosnians, Croats, Slovens all lived side by side, drank coffee together. My father in his twenties told me of life in Macedonia, when he would go out with his friends to some restaurants where they would listen to Albanian, Turkish, Serbian music, everyone dancing together.

Yes, there was a lot that was not perfect pre-89, but there was a lot that was good too. The problems that came after '89 was greater inequalities among the ethnicities, the politicizing of ethnicities, the greed for more power, etc. My opinion which is that B92 was a tool of propaganda is just that, my opinion. I believe in freedom of speech, freedom of press, etc, and so I do not think B92 should be censored. On the contrary I think everyone has the right to know everything that is going on, complete transparency, which is theoretically protected in a Democracy. The problem I had with the radical ultra-nationalists was that although B92 was very vocal during the 90's, the Milosevic posse heavily censored ANYONE with strong opposing views with the government. This is understandable given the government, but the problem is that my Ex fully believes everything B92 has to say, yet rejecting the idea that there is another angle to the story.

I don't know if I made myself clear, it is sad really.

April 08, 2008
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roberto r said:

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i am so moved by reading the comments of this "thread," especially those of mia's but incl the other comments as well. the funny thing is, i too have yugo-nostalgia, even though i am from the states, and have an eastern-european jewish background. we always thought highly of what yugoslavia had (seemingly) become, this land of brotherhood and unity. after all of the atrocities from ww2, the wars and civil wars, it was finally working --- it gave hope to a fractious world.. as late as december, 1988, during my first trip to europe, i was reassured by another Yugoslav (living in belgrade, i believe) that even though tito was gone, people were doing so very well together. i smiled and made a mental note to check it all out, one day first hand. somehow i never quite made it there, as you can imagine, until late 1999.

here is one of the basic problems, as I see it. yugoslavia was a good idea, theoretically, though the political reality never quite lived up to the promise. but "serbo-slavia" was quite a horrible idea, as ememplified by milosevic and company, but supported by millions of his all-too-willing executioners. i cannot forget or forgive this, ever -- now i personally know too many of the victims and survivors, have seen too much hate -- even the ongoing campaign against a free and independent kosova, so filled with enmity and vengeance, makes the thought of a continuing "yugoslavia" something totally unbearable to me, and to most others the world over...

but mia, i really do appreciate your stance, and your self-identification. that you refuse to acquiesce to hateful or narrow nationalism. the thing is, you do seem to accept the need for a "home" for different peoples, which, given the balkan reality is only understandable. who in their right mind would want to be a part of milosevic's yugoslavia, or kostunica's for that matter, after all that has come down? nevertheless each state of the former YU is of necessity multi-ethnic, as is almost very single other country; and that now is the challenge, how successful can these new multi-ethnic countries be? so far, the report card is quite dismal; but then again, this is still pretty early in the game. i too have great hopes for the EU...

finally, and i don't mean to sound patronizing here: it is so refreshing to read and follow such a civilized discussion between different people, of differing balkan ethnicities. at my reference point, B92, it so often breaks down into one hate fest after another, and i place much of the responsibility for that onto B-92. it is not the same progressive site that it once was; it feels all too often like just another nationalist and intolerant mouthpiece, which i find quite sad. i would very much be interested in others' comments about b-92 and its evolution.

thank you, all. chvala and felemendahret (sorry for my spelling.)

robert0 from san francisco

April 08, 2008
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Mia said:

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Drilon said: "we just all enjoy having our own separate "homes" to go to at the end of the day."

Yes, Drilon, that was very honest and very true. And that was the only explanation I could think of all these years. I can understand and accept it as long they as they are "homes" and not "bunkers" we make against each other.

If Yugoslavia was completely wrong and unjust concept from the very beginning then majority of people must feel that they are finally free now. It sounds great. But that shouldn’t be the end of story. It should be the beginning of a different one.

I have read this somewhere:
*There are two kinds of freedom. You can define them by asking these two questions: "Free from what?" and "Free for what?"*

This is how I understand it. The answer to the first question is not so difficult: we all want to be free from oppression, injustice, regime, domination, exploitation etc.
But the answer to the 2nd question is the important one - What are we going to do with our freedom, once we are free?
Are we going to create a better home for all people who live in it or are we just going to change the roles in the same game of injustice? No matter how much we try our borders will never be the perfect lines dividing all those who feel different. So it is very probable that we will always have some "different" people living together with us in our new homes. If Yugoslavia was a big mistake and injustice, let’s make sure that it’s not repeated. It would be very sad that after all these wars the only difference is that instead of one big Yugoslavia we have many small ones.

April 08, 2008
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Owen said:

	... What a pleasure to read a decent discussion on a sensitive subject between people who are able to disagree without trying to tear one another apart.
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April 07, 2008
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Goca said:

	... Can someone explain why Albos insist on misspelling Kosovo as Kosova? It is spelt Kosovo in the English language too so why the bastardisation of the name??
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April 07, 2008
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lindi said:

	... Serbs are the most selfish people in the world. They destroyed yugoslavia. As for the question of justice what is happening now is justice.
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April 06, 2008
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Drilon said:

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To: Mia and others involved in that conversation

I truly appreciate points of your argument which bring to light a character which is befitting of a "world citizen". It is an ideal thought (not wrong, just ideal), I say ideal because the world and its current diverse citizens are not ready to accept it.

The problem with Albanians and identifying as Yugoslavs begins immediately with the name of the former Federation. A Union of South Slavs (Yugoslavia) inherently deems Albanians as others, and this was known and done purposely to begin with. Now your view doesn't state that these fundamental building blocks were right, it just seems that you enjoyed the "brotherhood" of cohabitation in the Balkans. One thing Balkan people definitely have in common is being a bit cynical, and cynically speaking, is "brotherhood" a belief that doesn't have a catch? (When applied to a federation of different nationalities)

I hope that eventually, we (Balkan peoples-of which I am Albanian), can have good neighborly relations. I however believe that the EU framework will provide a much more comfortable umbrella for us to be under. We are all Europeans in the Balkans, I think we just all enjoy having our own separate "homes" to go to at the end of the day.

Cheers,
Drilon

April 06, 2008
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Garf said:

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hi again Mia,

this is referring to your comment, the one before the last one, because I don't see a point in arguing with the idea of that last one.

All i want to say is that, again, your feelings are appreciated. I do not have a problem with people feeling in a certain way. However, some people felt in certain ways in 1989 and caused very bad things to happen, and that, yes, I do have a problem with.

The other point which I'm not goint to argue but just point a little smth out is that, yes, Tito's YU and Milosevic's radical YU were different, absolutely. And I could understand why you feel the way you do about the former.

Regards.

April 05, 2008
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dejan said:

	... @ Mia, yugoslavia with not exist anymore. ideas of people like you are harmless because its just your view on this. but, ideas of people like kostuica and nikolic are going to damage serbia as they have done sofar. i dont know why the author picks on tadic, when he is the proEU leader here working for serbias future.
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April 05, 2008
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Mia said:

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I would just add this and no more, I promise. I’m interested in this topic and that’s why I write so much.

You should make a difference between political stands and the feelings and beliefs of ordinary people. Take for example the people of the US. I am sure that those in the US who are familiar with their government’s involvement with Kosovo probably feel proud that their great country is helping some small nation in Europe to defend their rights, to build democracy, to develop economically and in any other way. They probably know the stories how much Albanian people appreciate this support and how much they love Americans. Some of them might decide to come and visit Kosovo, have great time there, go home with fantastic impressions and emotions related to Kosovo.
Some of these facts will enter history books and in 50 years time generations of young Americans will learn that Kosovo people are their traditional (historical) friends and that it was thanks to Americans that Kosovo is a prosperous country now. That story will be even more important (a shining example) because of general criticism of the US foreign policy around the world.
Then imagine that for some reason (due to the global political scene in 205 smilies/cool.gif

Kosovo politicians/people start saying that they don’t agree with American policy any more, that they always felt like they were occupied and controlled by Americans, that America just used them for its military base and for their cold war with Russia, and that Americans should leave Kosovo alone!
US politicians will for example say “Ups, we lost our strategic point no. 519/2008. We have to find a new one in that area.” Or they’ll have some other, harsher reaction.
But how will people of the US feel about it? Those who don’t need and don’t understand strategic points? Those who believed in solidarity and democracy, those who cared for Albanian people and were happy to help them? I am sure they would feel disappointed.

April 05, 2008
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Mia said:

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To Kreshnik and Garf:
Thank you for your comments. Some things you wrote touched the very heart.

“The problem with Yugoslavia, was deep down in the roots of its formation. It pretended to be equal when it was not, it pretended to be unbiased when it failed miserably.”
“…but they never felt a connection with each other (Albanians vis-a-vis the rest). And if they ever did, which i doubt, it's becuase they were pressured to do so.”

I know very well what you mean and I have no reason not to believe you. I just hope you’ll try to understand me too.
Garf wrote “don't tell me there was Yugoslavian identity cuz i ain't buying that” and he made me laugh and blush. Well, Garf, you don’t need to buy it, but it was really the kind of identity I had. It was not my fault, I was raised like that. If Yugoslavia was a myth, a fairy tale (and I am talking about Tito’s Yugoslavia not the one of Milosevic, SRJ and the rest) I totally lived in that world. My problem seems to be that I had a very happy childhood, a mixed family, family friends from all ethnic groups and that I adored the story of brotherhood and unity. I was taught to respect the differences and to see them as positive and complementary. I grew up on fairy tales generally because as every child I needed the secure world of love and harmony around me. My grandmother (who was a young communist during the WWII) had to mention all ethnicities in every bed-story or I would ask her “And what did the Croat say, and what did the Macedonian do….? They all had to be there all the time, like the king Arthur’s knights of the round table. You must be laughing now, but let me continue…

I was only 11 but I remember very well the day when my parents spoke about the Communist party Congress and how Slovenian delegation left the meeting in protest. They discussed it in a relaxed manner, but for me it was the greatest shock I ever experienced. That story made my whole (dream-world) collapse and break into pieces. It was so traumatic that I couldn’t stop crying for days. My mom had problems explaining to neighbours that I was crying “because the Slovenians were not happy all this time”. This is exactly what my problem was and is ever since. Slovenians were not happy – for me it meant that maybe nobody was happy in that union, maybe there was no brotherhood at all, maybe they all suffered and hated each other all that time. For someone who truly believed in Yugoslav ideals this was the worst nightmare. In my opinion children have clearer perception and can see the truth better than adults because they have no interests and political agendas. I was very young then but I saw it all coming – terrible things are going to happen. And they did happen. I never cried again. It was all over for me that day, everything else was just logical sequence of things.

I am sorry that the dream never came true. I am sorry you were not happy and felt the way you did. I still believe that the idea was good but that people as usual failed to make it work.
So Kreshnik, maybe there are people in Serbia who think like slave-owners used to “Oh, damn, my slaves got free, I have to go to work now” but there is great number of people who truly believed that we were all happy and equal in that union, the same way most believe in EU now.

Sorry for the long post and thanks for your patience.

Best regards,

Mia

April 05, 2008
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Kreshnik said:

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Interesting comments.
Mia, it is nice to see your peaceful and non-imposing approach.

I must say I agree with you, in this way slighlty disagreeing with Garf in the sense that we have some few things in common with other ex-YU nations. Saying that no such thing exists is just hiding the truth, because in the end we all lived and continue living in the same area of Europe, where these attributes are common for everyone in the Balkans. And Yes eurokrem was consumed by Alananians, Bijelo Dugme was also listened by Albanians there is no need to rule these things out or even wipe them off.

However, as Garf quite righlty cited these are not things that determine the fundamentals of a nation. It is more than evident that Albanians were much different in many aspects from other citizens of Yugoslavia. The language, the traditions, the culture everything was utterly different.

Now you can argue that there is nothing wrong with being different. And I completely agree, if there was anything wrong with such theory then the whole concept of the EU would not exist.

The problem with Yugoslavia, was deep down in the roots of its formation. It pretended to be equal when it was not, it pretended to be unbiased when it failed miserably.

Oh yes, as an Albanian, I must have been officially a Yugoslav. But I never ever without a shout of doubt felt it and never claimed it. You know why? Because I cannot feel part of a Federation that applies cruelty and discriminates upon its own residents (Albanians in this case). There must have been something that Serbia didn't like in Albanians, therefore lanuched its campaign of ethnically cleansing us from Kosovo, which proves right the argument that we must have been different from all others, hence they wanted to get rid off us.

It is a pleasure to read your comments.

Regards,
Kreshnik Hoxha

April 04, 2008
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Mia said:

	... I have to leave now, not because I dont like the discussion but because my boss is coming back. We can continue some other time. Cheers, Mia
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April 04, 2008
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Garf said:

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To Mia:

Quote: "As for common attributes, there are so many... maybe we listened Bjelo Dugme when we were in love, maybe we ate Eurokrem when we were kids.... maybe... We definitely all had grandmothers to take care of us, we all had uncles and aunts who give us pocket money behind our parents' back - which are some of the things that my friends in Sweden or Britain never experienced.... we all love sarma and cevapi and prefer to buy a new car (even if we are broke) than to save for retirement.... How many proofs would convince you? "

Mia, you don't get my point. What I tried to point out is that the Slavic population which was part of YU had all possible attributes in common with each other, whereas the Albanians shared nothing with them. I was referring to national identity (now, don't tell me there was Yugoslavian identity cuz i ain't buying that), language, culture, traditions and history.

Having Grandma's to take care of you, eating certain type of food, having relatives give you money doesn't make you one people. The entire world population experiences those, can we call them all the same people? I guess we can't. People in Kosovo, Serbia, the U.S., Japan, Thailand, Brazil, etc, listen to U2, are they all the same people? The point is, ethnic typology of the constituent republics of YU was a mix and different, especially so between the Slavic people and the Albanians. It is true, they all lived under the same roof, well, some enjoying more rights and liberties than the others, but they never felt a connection with each other (Albanians vis-a-vis the rest). And if they ever did, which i doubt, it's becuase they were pressured to do so.

So, do not get me wrong. I sincerely respect your feelings and I can understand all that you're saying. But my problem with your view is that you can't put those people in the same bag, for they are different people.

April 04, 2008
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Mia said:

	... Again, I didnt want to offend anyone. Sorry, Garf, I am not trying to argue here, it is just my personal feeling I felt free to share. I just wanted to point out that there are people like me, probably very few, who still feel like Yugoslavs. That's all. We will eventually disappear one day, so no worries. Love, Mia.
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April 04, 2008
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rosebud said:

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@ to Mia

You are allowed to call yourself however you want. Same goes for your feelings but you also have to let go of the past. And this is not happening in Serbia. They can not let go of the fact that Yugoslavia is gone and with that all the privileges that serbs had. Once Serbia lets go of this feeling that "we are brothers" - thus we need to live in one country, we might meet up for a coffee. Albanians never felt as part of YU. They were also not treated as part of that YU but then there were only 3-4 mil. yugoslavs in the whole Yugoslavia.

April 04, 2008
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Mia said:

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To Garf:

I feel sorry for what all my people did to all my people. Can you try to understand that?
It's so easy when you choose a side. It's so painful if you don't. And I don't because I can't.

As for common attributes, there are so many... maybe we listened Bjelo Dugme when we were in love, maybe we ate Eurokrem when we were kids.... maybe... We definitely all had grandmothers to take care of us, we all had uncles and aunts who give us pocket money behind our parents' back - which are some of the things that my friends in Sweden or Britain never experienced.... we all love sarma and cevapi and prefer to buy a new car (even if we are broke) than to save for retirement.... How many proofs would convince you? But I don't think these are kind of proofs you were looking for anyway.
If you have a chance go to some Albanian or Serbian weddings and you'll see many of the "common attributes" I was talking about.
Or better... you tell me what is so very different between us... maybe I'm completely wrong... maybe I am just a stupid, stuborn girl who doesn't want to join the popular who-is-guilty hate-game?

April 04, 2008
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Garf said:

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To Mia:

your feelings are well respected. however, when you state that you love all your brothers and sisters, and that when you meet someone from the Former YU you feel like you're with your people, you must be cautious. It all applies to Croats, Serbs, Slovenians, etc, perhaps, but not Albanians. You guys have nothing in common with Albanians, you are two completely different people. And the feeling that you should get when you meet Albanians, should be one of sorry for what your people (if you are a Serb, that is) have done to them.

"Everybody prefer me to say that I am actually something else, that I am a Serb or a Croat (like my parents are) but I don't feel like a Serb or Croat, or Bosnian, or Albanian." You can feel any of those except for the last one. Name one common attribute that you have with those people?

April 04, 2008
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Mia said:

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I am a Yugoslav. This is how I feel and how I want to be called. People tell me it's impossible, but I can't define who I am in any other way. Everybody prefer me to say that I am actually something else, that I am a Serb or a Croat (like my parents are) but I don't feel like a Serb or Croat, or Bosnian, or Albanian. I feel like a Yugoslav. I know there were wars and terrible crimes were committed by different people to different people in the name of someone and something. I try to understand and accept the reality and people's feelings and beliefs, but for me it is all outside. Deep inside myself I never found a very good reason to hate anyone because of the place s/he was born in or his religion or his political belief. Every time I meet someone from ex-YU I feel I am with my people. Someone needs to go to US or Australia to feel this kind of belonging, to say "Hey, these are some of our folks", but I feel like that everywhere. I am sorry if this offends anyone, but this is how I feel. I can't help it. You can pretend you're different from me, you can have your little states and invent your national symbols, borders, even language, but you are still my people and I will always treat you like that.
Some time ago my 10-years younger brother told me to stop pinching his cheek in front of his girlfriends because he is a big boy now, almost a man. "Yes, I know" I told him "you're so cool now, soon you'll move out and live on your own, but for me you'll always be my little brother!!!" The same goes for all my brothers and sisters from ex-YU. You grew up and you deserve to live on your own but we are still the same family!!!
Love you all!

April 04, 2008
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kaltrina :) said:

	... huh, your AKO MOZES, ZABORAVI, inspired me for an article based on MENDOJA CDO GJE MERR FUND PA TY by GJURMET, only to try and once again wake up all those sleeping under the propaganda duvet, and make them realise that they really CAN LIVE without Kosova. p.s. bijelo dugme are ace!
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April 03, 2008
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afri said:

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This is to show this Yugosllavian minoritys the day dreaming wont last long. Yugosllavia was a so called federation based on lies and especially the serbs are suffering most because they were used to others work for them so they can have evrything they wanted, weekends in dubrovnik and god knows what not, well guys is time to wake up and start thinking right before it will get worse for you, good luck with the reality.

April 03, 2008
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Azdren said:

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Very well written. It just goes to show how irrational Serbian nationalism was/is. It is these irrational thoughts which keep them living in the past. It is these irrational thoughts which keep them living in the veil of denial, unable to understand or grasp the reality of the situation, of what their nationalism has done to their country, and what it has done to any non-Serbs in the former Yugoslavia. And the greatest tragedy, the denial that they have brought this world unto themselves.

April 03, 2008
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magoichisaika said:

	... Serbs deserve to lose Kosova. Consider it as reparations. They never paid reparations to anyone anyways, so why not pay in the form of land? Not like they'd have the money anyways...
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April 03, 2008
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Dardania said:

	... thay lost yugoslavia becouse didn't care about. serbians wanted more and on the end got nothing Remember one day thay gonna lose Vojvodina too if thay don't take care
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