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New Kosova Report

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God has stopped speaking Serbian PDF Print E-mail
By Arianit Dobruna   
Monday, 20 April 2009
Image“Speak Serbian for the God to understand you” – Serbian proverb 

A minority must be able to speak the language of the majority. This is not happening in Kosovo right now and it will be today’s minority children who will suffer unable to function beyond the limits of their communities.

Kosovo Albanians stopped learning Serbian language in school in 1990 as they dropped out of the Belgrade-enforced education system and into a parallel one funded by a 3% income tax collected in the diaspora. This meant the freedom to learn from history and literature books written by Albanian authors, although often times in private homes or crowded facilities.

Now Serb children have their own parallel education system with Serbian-only teaching. In their schools, they learn English but no Albanian, although for more than 90% of the population in Kosovo Albanian is the native language. Seventy percent of the population in Kosovo is under 35 and anyone under 30 who might still have had a couple of years of Serbian language instruction cannot or does not want to speak any Serbian. If before Serbs did not really have to learn Albanian because Albanians could and had to speak their language, now learning Albanian is a must to function economically in Kosovo. Otherwise, there won't be any future for Serbs here. While Serbian is an official language along with Albanian across Kosovo, this is barely essential if only 6% of the population is Serbian. Luckily or tragically, small details like this will determine the future of the Serbian community here. Not the kind of laws and protections that Kosovo Government enacts. When these children are 18 and they are about to go to university, they will most likely choose one with classes in Serbian in urban Serbia. At employment time, a job in Serbia will be their only hope, as they are unable to communicate with customers in Kosovo outside of their villages. Hence only the old with remain who will continue to farm until their death.

The Ahtisaari Plan-mandated decentralization will strengthen further Serb-Albanian divisions in education and other public services. When asked, most of the Serbs involved in the parallel education system will tell you that this is a way for them to secure their identity and survival here. They don’t realize how their choices defeat the purpose. For them this is a loaded emotional issue and counterintuitive. They refuse to acknowledge, that at least in Kosovo, God has stopped speaking Serbian. Albanian has been the language of the majority here prior to 1999 as well, although many of the parents of these children can’t speak Albanian either, a reflection of the old Serbian-Albanian power structure. For them and their children to learn Albanian now is tantamount to treason.

A slightly different situation is with the Roma. The education plan is for them to attend most classes in Albanian with two hours of classes in Romani language and culture so they can preserve their identity. They already speak conversational Albanian but the social and economic circumstances are not there in every family to stimulate them beyond the basics, with them likely not being able to function competitively in the workplace.

A lot of foreign money is being invested in the Roma but unless they are able to secure a basic economic independence, that won't be much useful. It's useless to teach Romani language if those children are likely to drop out before finishing elementary school and, as parents, can't provide economic support so that their children in turn don’t have to drop out of school like them.

My London friend put it best, “the roots of the problem for the Roma in Kosovo lie in the uncertain future.  The sooner that independence is recognised as a permanent fact, the sooner minorities will be able to take decisions about education that are rooted in an objective understanding of their future needs.  And that's when they can start campaigning for an approach to education that is able to accommodate their aspirations within a stable society.”

The average age of Serbs living in Kosovo today is 50. In 20 years, this average will be even bleaker as the young continue to leave for more plentiful educational opportunities in Serbia and jobs that currently pay on average twice as much as in Kosovo. Learning the dominant language of Kosovo is a prerequisite step for any chance of reversing this destructive trend.

The key for prosperity for all the minorities in Kosovo – Serbian, Roma, Turkish and Bosniak - is being able to function in the dominant language – in this case Albanian. Anyone who has helped them achieve this goal has ensured the basic condition for the long-lasting survival of the group and its identity, which I understand is the ultimate goal.
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Anon. said:

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As I am quite displaced from this situation, without bias, let me speak without bias.

Assimilation is good and beneficial.

Before the attacks start flying, please note that assimilation DOES NOT require a loss of heritage. One person commented saying that Canada has two national languages. I grew up close to Montreal and every time I visit, I amke an effort to speak French. When I was younger and less fluent, if I struggled, the cashier would speak in English. Most of the French speakers in Canada speak English as well.

In the United states, peoples that fail to assimilate limit their capabilities and are often limited to their ChinaTown or Spanish Harlem, or earlier in the last century, Little Italy. Their children who learn English go on to greater success and do often elevate the status of their families. Many also come to America in search of better lives. But for a Serbian that cannot speak Albanian, what future is there, outside of the their community? What motive is there for them, if a country that pays much better and speaks their language offeres golden opportunities?

My concern, and this is genuine, is that if Serbians do not learn Albanian, they will be limited in their opportunities within Kosovo.

In Africa, take Kenya for example, children grow up learning their tribal language. In school they study both Swahili and English. Each tribe (and there are 42) has managed to preserve their customs and their langauges. Is this not possible for Kosovo?
 
September 11, 2009
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Malsori said:

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Attack is the best defense!
you are doing that well Peggy- I read your inputs here and you sucsesfully "change" the discussion.
You sucssed time after time to make people discus your inputs instead off comenting the article. you attack every albanian and every one that has simpaties for them(Serbs never post hate coments against albanians). let me tell you one thing: You can never found a albanian calling another albanian för s*****r. ShQiptar yes but not the way you put it.
And to end this (se you made me jump into meaningless discussion) is for you (A member off Europian parlament said to the serbian delgation): Even if we go 300 years back in time, we will finde more Albanians then serbs in KOSOVA.
 
June 14, 2009
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Illyrian Princess said:

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Peggy..."honey",

I started celebrating way before Kosova was declared Independent.

Here is a toast to Kosova and it's freedom! Don't you just love it?

(Stick to the topic, because I made my opinion and I am done)
 
April 30, 2009
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Peggy said:

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Peggy,

Kosova is independent. Get over it.

A taste of your own medicine: As if you didnt know that many Serbians write so much hateful stuff out there.

Please tell me when did UN declare Kosovo independent? I missed that report. When did EU declare Kosovo independent and when will you be joining FIFA?

A taste of my own medicine!!! C'mon you only got back what you put out there. Are we going to start with what came first, chicken or the egg?

I suggest you start celebrating when UN declares you independent and not before.
 
April 30, 2009
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Illyrian Princess said:

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Peggy,

Kosova is independent. Get over it.

A taste of your own medicine: As if you didnt know that many Serbians write so much hateful stuff out there.
 
April 30, 2009
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Peggy said:

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Illyrian princess, wow have I hit a nerve. I never siad that those comments were from Roberto and the reason I used external comments is to show you (as if you didn't know already) that many Albanians write so much hateful stuff out there. How am I attacking Albanians wrongly when you can they writing that stuff. You know, you've been on other sites so you would've seen them.

Please don't presume you know my state of mind. I could say the same thing about your obvious ouburst here where you would like nothing better than for me to just go away. Perhaps I would like the same thing to happen on Serbian sites where Albanians come on and spew their hatred (example prvided in my previous post).

I never said that the Spanish were a majority in America but only in certain areas like Albanians in Serbia.
Albanians have become the majority in Kosovo so now they think they can just take it and expell the non desirables out of it. Don't forget 2004 frenzy.

May I remind you that Kosovo is NOT an independent country but a part of Serbia. Show me a body which has recognized Kosovo. UN has not and neither has EU. Sure America and 1/3 of the world has but are they making new laws now and the rest of the world has to abide by them?

Until UN declares Kosovo independent anyone else doing it is just breaking the law. So my dear, it is you who has to accept the reality here. Chasing me off this site will not give legitimacy to Kosovo.

 
April 29, 2009
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Anthony Barilla said:

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Bluerose - your generalizations about illegal immigrants are incorrect (for example, an estimated two-thirds of illegal immigrants in the States do pay taxes and yet see little benefits from them as they are not eligible to apply for those benefits) but even worse - your argument is spurious. We are not discussing illegal immigration (which is largely encouraged by the US economy and the expectations of US consumers), nor are we discussing the steps to apply for a work visa or technical position. I've held several jobs in the States without meeting any of the requirements you've mentioned. Were they the best jobs? Of course not. But it is possible to make a living there without speaking English. Do the options get better if you are multi-lingual? Of course they do. But you are equating illegal immigration with non-English speakers, and there are plenty of legal citizens who speak little or no English. There are plenty of politicians in the states who like to make this same argument because they know it will get them votes from racists, but it has nothing to do with the issue of non-English speakers in society.

IP - my point is not that you are required to speak Spanish, but that some jobs do require it. Of course most jobs require English. Of course there are problems. That doesn't mean that legislating a national language would fix those problems. It would probably simply diminish immigration, and the US is supposed to be a nation of immigrants with the belief that different cultures strengthen our society, even though we haven't always done a good job at that.

I hesitate to use quotes, because (like statistics) they can be used to mean anything. But one quote keeps occurring to me as I read this thread. I can't remember who to attribute the quote to, but it's something like this: "Democracy is not the law of the majority but the security of the minority." Imposing assimilation through language requirements may make life simpler for the majority, but this is not the primary concern of a democratic system of governance.

While I disagree, vehemently, with the stance of the article above, I think that it takes something for granted: that it is important to retain Serbs, Roma and other minority populations in Kosovo. Maybe that's the question that should be asked here. Is it important to retain them so that the majority can feel good about themselves? Or is it important so that the minority can bring different perspectives, cultures and attitudes to the wider Kosovo culture? If the latter is true, then perhaps there should be less emphasis on non-Albanian assimilation and more emphasis on the exploration of other cultures. If you want Serbs and Roma to stay because you believe they offer something possibly enriching to your culture, then perhaps you might consider learning their language instead. If you don't know why you want them to stay, then why do you care what they speak?
 
April 27, 2009
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Illyrian Princess said:

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Peggy, just because one Albanian decided to express hatred toward the Serbs does not mean all Albanians are that way. You are discriminating---clearly---and you are being irrational. And Roberto is not Albanian. He clearly stated that on his previous comment. Why do you use the external post against him or any other Albanian? You are clearly the one attacking us wrongfully. If you have to release your frustration, please take it elsewhere. Your disturbed thoughts seriously are put into question.

Need I remind you, the Spanish are not the majority in America.

Last, but not least, Kosova is not Serbia. Get over it and STICK TO THE TOPIC,PLEASE.
 
April 26, 2009
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Ardi said:

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This whole talk about equating English as the language of the majority of American citizens and Albanian as the language of the majority of Kosovar citizens is triggering some interesting thoughts and comments. I'm enjoying this discussion, as it's making me think differently about the official language setup in Kosovo.

Officiality of language:

Articles 5.1 and 5.2 of the Kosovar Constitution state the following:
"1. The official languages in the Republic of Kosovo are Albanian and Serbian.
2. Turkish, Bosnian and Roma languages have the status of official languages at the municipal level or will be in official use at all levels as provided by law."

Article 59.2 also clarifies that "member of communities shall ... receive public education in one of the official languages of the Republic of Kosovo of their choice at all levels."

You need to read this law and apply it to everyday situations. A Kosovar Serb is essentially able to apply for a job and claim discrimination if she or he can prove that they were refused the position because they only spoke Serbian. Now, if a job ad required that the applicants speak ALBANIAN, that's a different story. The fact that the Kosovar Constitution guarantees rights to Serbs as speakers of one of the two official languages essentially means that they need to be given the same opportunities except when the discriminatory requirement, i.e. that the applicant speak Albanian, is for purposes of working with customers who are Albanian. I think a couple of you alluded to this by drawing on the example from the US and I think it's logical and rational, I agree with the basic idea.

The government, though, has stated that Serbian is the other official language. This means that it has the responsibility to promote Serbian as the second official language, and this is done by printing materials in two languages, getting vote cards printed in Albanian and Serbian [and English?], and by serving Kosovar citizens in either Albanian or Serbian in public offices. This may seem costly, but it's the least the government can do to guarantee protection against discrimination. And add to that the truth that compared to other problems that can arise [accusations of group discrimination being one possibility], the guarantee of language rights is the least a state can do for its citizens.
 
April 26, 2009
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Peggy said:

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Roberto, you really do write long comments but what you write is not accurate. I never said that I own B92 or any other site. What I say is that if you can't stomach comments then don't go there. Comments do come from both sides and something third parties get involved but always backing a side they always have. No news there and it doesn't mean hatred only belief in what you see as the truth.
Now if Albanians would stop with sarcasm, bullying and laughing openly at the other side, perhaps the other side would leave them alone. This can be viewed as anger and frustration from the Serbian side and supporter and not hatred as you point out.
What do you think of these comments?

• fu and the slave-ic race
By Albania on Apr 24, 2009

Time for NATO to finish the job it didn't finish in 1999. This time they can use Albania as a base, instead of Aviano.
(Sidi, 25 April 2009 15:26)

Do you seriously expect me or any Serb or Serbian supporter to think that Albanians are wonderful people and have warm and fuzzy feelings towards them after reading this? Mind you these two are the latest. There were many, many more before and I will tell you something you obviously don't know. I have formed a very negative opinion and stated it ONLY after reading so many comments like these and yes, I have even been threatened with being butchered with a knife for giving an opinion (not a hateful one at that and simply for having the audacity to speak up for the Serbs) by more than one Albanian.
What on earth do you expect me to say now?
I also believe there are both Serbs and Albanians willing to live together in peace as well but after so much horror there wouldn't be many on both sides.
If you are an American Jew of Polish origin then whey do you use the term we when you say that we thank you for recognizing Kosovo etc. I have read that in your comment. What the Polish Jews thank whichever country for that or we meaning Albanians. You are the one who is eluding to this by your statements.

As far as official language in Kosovo. How on earth can that be Albanian when Kosovo is Serbian and there is proof all around by centuries old Serbian churches and Monasteries. I have read examples of Spanish being accepted but should not be the official language. Why not? The Spanish have settled in that area now and outnumber the Americans just like the Albanians outnumber the Serbs in Kosovo now. So if you are a majority you have the right to take the chunk of land and say this is ours now and this is the language for all to speak.
We didn't always have 90% Albanians in Kosovo. There was a time, only a few decades ago when the mixture was just about even. What happened? Just like in America, you can't take the territory just because all of a sudden you have become the majority. The language as well.

 
April 26, 2009
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Illyrian Princess said:

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Speak the language you are most comfortable with. If you happen to have, by any means,someone come up to you and speak to you in English in the workplace and you are not able to respond ---you are headed to nowhere. Do not take this literally.

It does not affect or intrude anyone\'s life if the language of English is official. That is the language the government functions in, just like Albanian is the language the government of Kosova functions in.

English is the PRIMARY language in the United States. Albanian is the PRIMARY language in Kosova.

Places with Spanish majority like Florida or Texas do not REQUIRE you to speak Spanish. Although, jobs are available out there that require you to speak Spanish due to customer service requirements that are called for. If an Albanian seeks an Albanian translator, then they have that option and the help they need. Accept it or not. That is the way it is.

Even though English is the primary English, places like Miami, Dallas, or San Diego will offer 90% of schools in languages other than English.

According to ELPAC, English is the language of freedom, commerce and opportunity around the world. Declaring English the official language of the United States will provide legal protection against ill-advised government actions which harm or ignore English. On Aug. 1, 1996, the House of Representatives voted 259-169 to declare English the official language of the United States.

Although, to this day, America has not officially declared the English language. For several years now there has been a push by some to make English the official language of the United States.

Think about it though, having several official languages would be costly and impractical.


 
April 25, 2009
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bluerose799 said:

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To find a Job in the U.S.A you have to go through 3 STEPS.
Sep 1:
http://www.cambridgeesol.org/exams/general-english/pet.html
Preliminary English Test (PET)
PET is an exam for people who can use everyday written and spoken English at an intermediate level. It covers all four language skills — reading, writing, listening and speaking. Preparing for the exam is a popular way to develop and improve your language skills because it provides practical language practice in a variety of everyday work, study and leisure situations.
PET reflects the use of language in real life, such as understanding signs and announcements, and is accepted by many employers as proof of ability to use English in clerical, secretarial or managerial jobs. It is also widely accepted for use in jobs where spoken English is necessary such as tourism, retail, construction, manufacturing and engineering.
http://cambridgeesol-centres.org/centres/index.do
Cambridge ESOL exam centers
You can take Cambridge ESOL exams at authorized centers all over the world. There are over 2000 centers in 130 countries. They must meet high standards of professional integrity, security and customer service, and are subject to inspection by Cambridge.
Step 2:
Pass a Pre-employment Personality Test.
Of course in English and your level must be at least an American English Speaking High School Graduate.
Step 3:
If you are asking for a skilled job as mechanic, electrician etc (blue collar job), then you have to pas a technical test too.
Of course there are 12 million illegal workers in the U.S.A
They work in vegetables and fruits harvesting, Toilets cleaning, meat processing plants, demolition work in construction etc. All of them don’t speak English. They are cot by police. Arrested, put on jai,l and deported. They are from all nationalities, Latino American, Eastern Europe, Asia etc. Many of them steal the identity of U.S citizens, and use theirs social security numbers. They don’t pay taxes, because the legal person file taxes every year (Illegal know this very well), and use theirs health insurance and free schooling for the kids. One American went to E.R. The diagnose was Appendicitis Acute, but on records (his appendicitis has been removed once???!!!).
Of course his Identity was stolen by an Illegal.
For people like BLACKBIRD this practice is O.K.

 
April 25, 2009
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robert-0 said:

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It is funny, and interesting to read this blog here and see that just under the surface, we each have our own little agenda(s).

Peggy -- i have not always been terribly pleasant to or about you, because you have gone out of yr way to be so UNpleasant to me, and to albanians. i mean really nasty, time after time, and really going after people in a very mean-spirited way. i always talk about serb nationalists -- you lie and say i hate (all) serbs. you've always known i was an american jew (for years), but you purposely lie and claim i am albanian simply to try to marginalize my comments (he is really albanian, so nothing he says "counts.") you post all over the internet (your right) and then suggest that we stay away from "your" sites. and on and on.

HOWEVER, i don't appreciate trash talk against you (or against serbs or anyone else.) i don't wish to drag down to that level ("you need love, piggy, etc.") those things have nothing to do with me and i feel they cheapen our discourse and our cause (and are wrong.)

the thing about b92 (which goes way beyond you, or me for that matter): you nationalists don't OWN it. you think you do but you don't. at the beginning it was a serious and exciting voice of dissidents and intellect (as well as hot rock n roll). it was THE media voice against milosevic and everything he stood for. unfortunately things have changed over time, and not for the better. and yes, serb nationalists and related extremists dominate. but you don't OWN it, exclusively, and you will NEVER bully me off. hopefully other non and anti-nationalists will not be bullied off either.

as for anti-serb comments from some, that is not a complete lie. it is a very small minority, ESP.ly compared to the DAILY ugly anti-albanian slurs (that you also make and apparently concur with): the albans, the albos, the organ traders, the fake state, CCCC, and on and on and on. it just never ends, day in and day out. serbs of conscience need to speak out against it, but they don't. but there are also occasional dumb and rude comments about serbs and i don't like those, and have occasionally said so (not that i am answerable to you.)

one thing i have to credit (?) you -- you do (sometimes) address people who oppose you, directly. somehow in a strange way you do seem to acknowledge them (us) as people. perhaps there is a part of you that actually wishes to have some communication with the "other", with albanians? perhaps i'm reading too much into it, but i always say that i believe in communication -- i co-coordinate our school's diversity club -- that's what we're supposed to be all about. and from what i have read and heard over the years, most K albanians do not HATE all serbs, and wish to have some communication with them -- they just refuse to be ruled and dominated by them, by Blgd., and for very good reasons. and that is also my position, thus the "we."

i often label the "discussion" at the Other Site as an ongoing HATE FEST, but every once in a while there is some interesting communication and that pleases me... i do think that if you personally got to know some albanian people, peers, it would be much harder to keep stereotyping them. assuming you are open to challenging prejudice and stereotypes. we've tried it, for ex., with young israelis and yng palestinians, and despite overwhelming odds, there have been many frndshps formed.

ciao, roberto/ frisco
 
April 25, 2009
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blackbird said:

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I just want to offer a small clarification: you don't "have to" speak English to get a job in the U.S. You have to be able to communicate with your clients/co-workers, as you do in any job anywhere. This is why, in many jobs in California and Texas, Spanish is a job requirement - it's a matter of communication, not assimilation. But, unlike the other countries listed in this thread, there's no official language in the States, and I hope that it stays that way, despite frequent threats from some politicians to alter this state of affairs.

It can be a challenge to print voting ballots in English, Spanish and Vietnamese as they are in Houston, but the challenge is worth the payoff: a society that is both diverse and engaged.
 
April 24, 2009
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Ardi said:

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I don't know how I missed this.

Peggy, you write: "God doesn't come into this. ICJ is the body which will understand Serbian in the end." The more I hear of Vuk Jeremic, the more I am convinced that justice and especially international justice has little to do with the actions of your Foreign Minister.

As he quite clearly pointed out, "the Serbian government will not recognize Kosovo at any price," not even when [not if] ICJ rules in favour of Kosovars' right to self-determination [if you don't believe me, check the Serbian news sources]. I don't see how denying the decision of an international court of justice [of which Serbia is a member] is just or fair in Serbian language.
 
April 24, 2009
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bluerose799 said:

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No matter what Serbian say, I don’t understand them.. Sorry Serbian…
I speak Illyrian, understand Dardanian, learned Italian, French, English, Russian and speak a little Chinese (Mandarin). I didn’t learn Serbian because I don’t need this language. We don’t force others to learn our language, but one day to get Kosova’s citizenship you have to pass an exam in Dardanian language.
http://eng.meeting.lv/permanent/valoda.php
To receive Latvian citizenship, one must pass a national language exam, …
 
April 24, 2009
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Peggy said:

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Agim, Shiptari is not my term but the term I have hear Albanians use. I have listened to an Albanian using this very term to call himself. so don't go condemning me or anyone else for that term. Actually I don't even use it myself. I say Albanian but that's beside the point.
I can quote you so many examples of what Albanians have written to taunt Serbs. Thing slike "organs for sale, we have many organs of different colour for sale for our brothers the Turks". Saying how Serbs should have their throats cut and I have even come accross an Albanian saying how he would eat the heart of a Serb after he butchered him.
Now reading all these things you expect me to say that Albanians are the nices people I have heard of?
What do you expect when your own people are spewing so much garbage and hatred that it's only fair to throw some back and see how they like it. Get of your high horse and take a look at what Albanians write. Anything your get back you deserve then.

And to Common sense, perhaps you should get some and stop being vulgar. You are only reinforcing the belief about your people by what you just said. If you cannot write something without useing vulger expressions you are truly deprived of not only common sense but decency.
 
April 24, 2009
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Common sense said:

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@ Peggy:Damn girl,go get some love,i'm sure you will find a guy in serbia who"will" F@^%#$ you ,or maybe not because you are so full of hate that no 1 will do love to you...!TIP:STOP HATING,START LOVING,it's never to late...!
 
April 24, 2009
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Ardi said:

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Either encouraging or coercing the Serbian minority to learn Albanian because it makes sense will not be a big incentive to learn. The dramas of forced de-Albanization that were played against Kosovar Albanians in Kosovo from 1905 to 1967 by the Serbian nationalist regime should not be replayed in a new, disguised role.

Minorities should be free to speak in one of the three official languages in the country, without feeling the pressure to learn Albanian because the majority speaks it. The fact that the majority speaks any language should not mean that minorities must conform and follow it - Is difference such a bad thing after all?

Rather, if you're going to argue this point, perhaps argue it on the economic side, which I partly agree with. If anything, Kosovar Serbs stand a greater chance of not only finding employment in Kosovo, but also of better integrating outside of the Serb enclaves in Kosovo. Furthermore, they stand a chance of learning about Albanian culture and history in a new light, but, when you think about it, should not the Kosovar Albanians also learn Serbian? Do we not owe it to future generations who will not be blind to the fact that we are a country whose neighbours to the North are 80% Serbian, and whose neighbours in their town might be Serbian?

Let's not talk about the Roma minority in Kosovo. They have been so neglected and ignored for decades, yet now we expect it to suddenly thrive and succeed in integrating in this society where they are still marginalized. It will take time, what it important, at this point, is that the Kosovar government help Roma children from dropping out and create programs that will ensure their full participation in society because, let's face it, it's not only for their good, it's also for our own good. They are Kosovars, too.
 
April 23, 2009
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Ardi said:

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Dear Arianit,

thank you for your reply. I appreciate your comments, but feel they don't explain the commanding tone of your article.

Your original article sentence read "A minority must be made to be able to speak the language of the majority." I don't see how that is not coercive, but you've made the changes, which has evoked a sense of happiness in me, albeit temporary, as it makes me wonder whether the change made was simply done to tone down the sense of force that carried or because you genuinely felt that it was a tone that mistakenly coloured the rest of your article.

I don't see how comparisons of Kosovo to Switzerland and Canada could be disingenuous. Kosovo is a new state, we could learn a thing or two from those states that have existed in bilingual forms for at least a hundred years or so.

Living and speaking French in non-Quebec Canada? New Brunswick is an officially bilingual province in Canada, where both English and French are used everywhere. It's also got, percentage-wise per population, the most bilingual Canadians in the country. French-only schools and French immersion schools for non-French students are in every community across the country, even in those dots in the map you see as Northern communities living in winter conditions 10 months of the year. French minorities in Manitoba have their own cultural and historical centres, libraries, universities, schools. I could go on about French being used across the country and French culture being promoted throughout Canada, but I think that would be spending too much time explaining something you seem to dismiss completely and irrelevant to the case of Kosovo. And I won't then even get started on Switzerland.

You say "studies have shown that legitimate business requires higher language skills than trafficking." I'd be curious to read those studies.

Finally, I appreciated Princess's thoughts, as I think they shed light greatly on the fact that sometimes a law is just a law and it should not be taken too seriously. That's like saying "ummm, yeah, I am only going to respect the law a little bit." I agree, we can only create laws and hope for the people to respect them, but when gay people are attacked in the middle of Prishtina, can we say "ooopsy? The Constitution guarantees rights to all of its citizens, but we can't guarantee the protection of those rights at all times." True, but the government can and should be a rational actor - It should remove emotion from fact and acknowledge that a citizen is a citizen is a citizen, regardless of her or his ethnicity, sexual orientation, age, economic status, etc. In this matter, if the Constitution of Kosovo, on which government matter is conducted, guarantees the protection of language rights of the Serbian community by making Serbian an official language, what does it mean? It's more than simply claiming that it's a rule that some people will respect some of the time.

Look, I appreciate and agree with your pointing out the fact that we need to deal with the language issues in Kosovo in order to create some sort of effective society that is not parallel in all circumstances, but the way in which you seem to advocate the use of Albanian as the uniting language for all Kosovars, regardless of ethnicity, is, in my mind, wrong. It might have some sense at some level, but when it comes down to it, the problem right now is the alienation of the Serbian minority from Kosovar society, and I think that is the underlying issue that Kosovars need to deal with - The issue will resolve itself if we create some sort of economic boom that guarantees jobs for all Kosovars, but that is not to happen soon.
 
April 23, 2009
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Agim said:

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@ Peggy.

(Agim, Peraps you should restrain yourself a little. If you find my comment offensive then please attack me on that comment. I really don't mind your input, but the comment here is not directed at you or offensive so there is no reason for this site to ban me.
Perhaps you and your Albanian brothers should be banned from Serbian sites because you really know how to let loose there with your insults and chants like Srbe na Vrbe etc.
Don't preach any morality on the site you feel comfortable with when you know what you are like on other sites)


Dear Peggy, It is the write ups like the below that makes it very hard to get you.


(Albanians are the worst people on earth. Wherever they go they leave chaos. I wonder if Albania proper even approves of them. If they do, they are the only country which does. America pretends in order to exploit them.

Don’t take their posts too seriously. They are only written in order to irritate and hopefully get their lies through.

By Peggy on Dec 24, 2008 )





You see Peggy the prioblem I have with you is that you dont know us at all, you have probably never been to kosovo or know/known any kosovo albanians, if that is the case which is probably true than you are in no position to talk/advise/debate whatever.

While me Im born and lived in in Mitrovica, had lots of serbian friends I thought they were friends anyway, you see Peggy I know a couple of my next door neighbours with whome i was brought up are the people that kicked me and my family out of our house, this same people that I thought they were friends...
you are a prime example of Albanian saying that we bring our children advising them to beware the serbs, while you bring up your kids telling them to hate albanians( shiptari) I believe is your favourite term that you use for us.













 
April 23, 2009
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Peggy said:

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Roberto, if you feel so discriminated against on another site then avoid it. You won't be able to change anything just like I won't be able to change anything here.
Maybe if you stop waying we when you are about to Albanian population you won't be misunderstood. It is not a put down as you say but it is meant to clear the air and for honesty to come through.
I'm sure you have come across sayings like "Srbe na vrbe" in your travels of other sites but I don't see you condemning anyone who says those things. In fact you support EVERY Albanian post but argue againg EVERY Serbian post. If this is not bias which you accuse me of then I don't know what it is.
So in conclusion don't preach something you don't practice yourself.
When you condemn Albanian posts when they get offensive and sarcastic then, and only then, you can ask others to do the same.
 
April 23, 2009
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Arianit Dobruna said:

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Dear Chachipe a.s.b.l.,

On assimilation of Roma in Kosovo - I don't know of any assimilated Roma. The bigger problem and what you need to worry about is gethoization, which does exist today. The gethoization problem, however, is smaller among those Roma that have been able to integrate linguistically and hence economically.

On being able to uphold Roma educational system - unfortunately that is a bitter fact that the Roma must deal with. In the last 10 years there have been only a handful of Roma university graduates. I gather they were also Albanian-speaking ones. However, that is not what I based that argument on, rather on the fact that the Roma have no mother country to which they can refer for alternative business and educational opportunities.

On ignorance and democracy - I see you would rather send me to tolerance camp. I prefer that the readers - especially those familiar and dealing with the reality on the ground - read both our writings and make up their own minds.

I do believe that ethnic and cultural diversity should be treasured and promoted by the Kosovar society. I also do believe that integration (being able to speak own language and majority language equally well) in cases when you have very small minorities makes sense. Albanians too when living in Western European countries should heed this.


Dear Ardi,

Comparisons of Kosovo with Switzerland and Canada are disingenuous. Moreover, even those claims are not correct as there is more to life that federal offices. Try living speaking French in non-Quebec Canada.

I did not say anyone should be forced to do anything. I said if one cares, they should learn the majority language or urge others they profess to care about to do so.

Studies have shown that legitimate business requires higher language skills than trafficking.
 
April 23, 2009
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Illyrian Princess said:

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Ardi,

Even though the constitution states equal rights to all citizens of Kosova, it\'s a matter of the government to enforce those laws and make sure they are justified in every aspect. It happens everywhere in the world. Unfortunatelly, not all laws are abided, and the justice system is not always justifiable. Sadly, that is the case. We can only hope and try to bring attention to the government and the public that everybody is equal and that everybody deserves equal opportunities. It should be understandable though that in order to have effective communication and be able to strive in a country of Albanian language as majority, the language should be spoken as it calls for? Workplaces will not go to great lengths to speak Roma or Turkish, as an example. Kosova is not removing their right to speak and go freely as they please on the concept of their traditional living. it is merely giving them the right to do so whilst still giving them opportunities to workplaces with Albanian language as the language effective enough to perform. All our skills matter. Unfortunately, in America for example, if I didnt speak English---I would have my job. If you have the skills of labor, then no language is required on almost all occasions. It only makes sense.

As far as school.My family is Albanian. We still speak Albanian at home. My sister goes to school and has english speaking classes. Also, she MUST take either a Spanish or French class. Well, we are the minority in America, but I am not being threatened for my life and neither is my family. We have the opportunity to learn and that is the way it should be. If my sister decides to live in France, she can do so with knowing the French language to help her succeed in life as a successful woman.

You can have all the skills in the world, but that wont be much useful in the Albanian speaking country if you dont speak the language.

 
April 22, 2009
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Ardi said:

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Princesha, I agree with you to a certain point: The situation is clearly reversed - Now it is a matter of majority Albanian enforcing a social fabric attempting to make Albanian the only language spoken in Kosovo. The Constitution does not say this. In fact, the laws passed by Kosovar Assembly state that there are three official languages.

This means that one should be able to speak either one of the three languages in the country and not feel ostracized by society. Opportunities should be equal in all communities and that's the ideal that society should strive towards, not that of "your skills don't matter, what matters is that you speak the right language."

The tide has turned - Unfortunately, we Kosovars have a long way to go in terms of forgiving what was done to us during the Rankovic and Milosevic regime, during which time speaking Albanian was seen as a pointless matter, forcing Albanians to learn a language that was not their own. The problem today is, are we moving towards the same rhetoric? Do we want to appear ultra-nationalist, bent on persuading all of our minorities to speak Albanian? Why do we not focus on first creating incentives for the minorities of Kosovo to want [emphasis] to learn it and not be forced to learn it? Simply stating that speaking Albanian will make minorities more likely to succeed is quite reductionist. I don't see traffickers and smugglers of goods in Northern Mitrovica needing to speak any Albanian - the economic interests seem to sound harmonious in whatever language they speak when trading with Albanians.
 
April 22, 2009
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Illyrian Princess said:

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Peggy,

You are nationalistic. Guess what? The world does not revolve around you and does not revolve around Serbia. Get off the high horse.
 
April 22, 2009
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Illyrian Princess said:

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Thank you Robert-o, for your kindness. :) Unfortunately, Peggy likes to hide her hate by being sarcastic.

Anyways, the whole point of the article is to actually help the minority prepare for their future. I live in America and my parents do not speak great English. Because of that, they were not able to succeed much. It is understandable that if you want to make a happy, fullfiling life--you have to speak English in America. But then, you have the minorities like the Spanish or Italian (just to name a few) and they have the opportunities to still maintain their identity. Think about it though, if you want to work in America, almost all businesses require you to speak English. If you want to work in Kosova, you must speak Albanian. THAT is the majority. You live in our country, therefore you will have to speak Albanian to succeed in the workplace.

The majority was Albanian in Kosovo, and of course still is. The nationalist views of the Serbs were to push the Albanians to assimilate to their culture and identity and lose their own. They also used violence as a means to expult them into non-existence by murdering them or destory their identity by destroying or burning their ID Cards, passports, land ownership, etc...

Therefore, there is a huge difference between the minority situation now from the situation of the Albanians during the war.

Under the Kosova constitution, you have a right to equality like every single citizen of Kosova. Enjoy the freedom.
 
April 22, 2009
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Ardi said:

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This is a terrible, nationalist article attempting to pressure a minority into doing what the Serbian government tried to do in the 1990s to Albanians. The fact is, both Albanian and Serbian are official languages, and either one of the languages in the country should be adopted.

The Swiss don't force their populations to speak either Italian or French or German, but rather leave them to their own languages. If they so choose to live in an area inhabited mostly by the French and they are German, it would be understood that they could learn French in order to find employment, become integrated, etc.

Canadians have two official languages. Neither one is forced on anyone - You learn the official language that you feel is easiest for you to learn, and the federal government offices are thus obligated to serve you in either French or English. There is a huge number of both French and English-speaking Canadians today who do not speak both languages, yet seem to be getting along fine.

The nationalist rhetoric you are promoting is so 2004 - Kosovo should be moving along towards the future, not towards a one-nation state. That was already tried by a Sebrian genocidal government in the 1990s.
 
April 22, 2009
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robert-0 said:

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Hey, Illyrian Princess -- In my book, you are both Illyrian AND a princess : - ) and woe to those who try to stop you!

as for my dear pal miss Peggy, she is one of my best PR people and has even (repeatedly) made me an honorary Albanian. that might be intended as a put-down?? but i wear it well. felemenderet, peggy. (sorry, my albanian is extremely limited...)

and altho i have repeated at least 100 times that i am an american jew (w/polish-jewish heritage), at that other, um, nice website they told me things like "go pray to allah!" but then allah means GOD, and i do (often) pray to god, so you could say i pray to allah. that muslim-baiting thing really doesn't work on me.

but when push comes to shove, aren't we ALL related, and not so many 1000s of years ago. really that is a drop in the bucket, historically speaking. can't we all just find some way to stop the HATE and get along?

roberto /frisco
 
April 22, 2009
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Peggy said:

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Illyrian Princess, I am from Serbian stock, I have never denied that.
Agim, Peraps you should restrain yourself a little. If you find my comment offensive then please attack me on that comment. I really don't mind your input, but the comment here is not directed at you or offensive so there is no reason for this site to ban me.
Perhaps you and your Albanian brothers should be banned from Serbian sites because you really know how to let loose there with your insults and chants like Srbe na Vrbe etc.
Don't preach any morality on the site you feel comfortable with when you know what you are like on other sites.
 
April 22, 2009
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Sebaneau said:

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The Kosovars should learn Croatian and "ijekav" the Serbs to death. :-)
It's useful in the local context and doesn't involve any compromise: on the contrary, it is the language of those who beat the Serbs almost by themselves :-) :-) :-).
 
April 21, 2009
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Illyrian Princess said:

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Agim, you are right. There is a huge difference between the Serbian news and Albanian news. Serbian news is very extreme. That is not good at all. It does not depict tolerance toward other people.
 
April 21, 2009
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Agim said:

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To Peggy,

Peggy you should stick to the Serbiana website where your insulting/racist views are more acceptable, your comments are never constructive or have any point, I dont really get you as you are everything that shouldent be alowd in this sites.

It is because of serbs like you that we will never be ruled by you again, you are nothing but an Kosovar Albanian heater, what in my book goes down as a pure racist scum. ( for anyone that thinks that Im being harsh take a 5 min look at serbiana website and you will understant as to what are we dealing with here.
 
April 21, 2009
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Illyrian Princess said:

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Peggy, stop with your attacks. The only thing coming from you is accusations. You dont know me. Your accusations show a low character. You are not a Serbian, so what do you care?
 
April 21, 2009
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Chachipe a.s.b.l. said:

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Dear Sir,

we are writing to you regarding the article „God has stopped speaking Serbian“ which was published by the New Kosovo Report on 20 April 2009.

We are very much shocked by the spirit of revanchism which is pervades in the whole. We are moreover shocked by the fact that its author seems to ignore or dismisses the fundaments of international human rights treaties which are also enshrined in the Kosovo constitution and in the laws which were adopted in its aftermath.

As a Roma organisation, we do not want to elaborate on the part concerning Kosovo Serbs. We would however like to highlight that the Kosovo constitution recognizes the presence of different languages in Kosovo among which Albanian and Serbian have the status of official languages. The law on the use of languages clearly refers to Kosovo as a multiethnic society (art. 1.iv.).

The Kosovo Constitution also guarantees the right for Members of Communities “to freely express, foster and develop their identity and community attributes.” Moreover, the Kosovo constitution includes clear guarantees against forced assimilation. Accordingly, “[t]he Republic of Kosovo shall refrain from policies or practices aimed at assimilation of persons belonging to Communities against their will, and shall protect these persons from any action aimed at
such assimilation. (see article 58.6).

The Kosovo constitution also says:

“All are equal before the law. Everyone enjoys the right to equal legal protection without discrimination.
2. No one shall be discriminated against on grounds of race, color, gender, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, relation to any community, property, economic and social condition, sexual orientation, birth, disability or other personal status.” (art. 24.1)

Article 3.2. of the Law on the Use of Languages also prohibits discrimination on the basis of a person’s language.

Though Kosovo is not a signatory, the authorities engage to respect the standards set out by Council of Europe Framework Convention for the Protection of National Minorities and the
European Charter for Regional or Minority Languages (art 58.1), which both entail a clear commitment in terms of the respect of minority and language rights.

Mr. Dobruna’s article is nothing else but a defence of discriminatory practices and a blunt statement for the forced assimilation, if not of the Kosovo Serbs’, but certainly of the Roma. He advocates the practice of teaching Roma in Albanian language even though the Kosovo constitution (art. 59.3) and the Law on the Use of Languages (art. 20.1) guarantee the right to receive mother tongue education at pre-school, primary and secondary school level.

He considers it as an advantage if Roma, contrary to the Serbs, are not able to uphold their own educational system, but are educated in the language of the majority. Without questioning the fact that the Kosovo Roma community produced numerous high school and university graduates, before the war, he blames the family for the poor educational achievements of their children and school drop outs. He also alleges that the economic exclusion of Roma is related to their limited competitiveness at the labour market, in a context, where discrimination against Roma is all-pervasive, and hardly provides an incentive for families to devote limited resources to the school education of their children.

Using the subterfuge of a London friend, - we ask who and what gives his or her advice such authority - , he even warns Roma and other non-Albanian communities that, what seems to her as a period of grace, will be ended with the recognition of Kosovo’s independence, where they will need to develop an “objective understanding of their future needs”. This is nothing but a hidden warning that Kosovo, once unlashed from the international tutelage, will crash its minorities.

We believe that your magazine should not perpetrate such ignorant and undemocratic statements.

Kind regards,


Chachipe a.s.b.l.
www.romarights.wordpress.com
 
April 21, 2009
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Peggy said:

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God doesn't come into this. ICJ is the body which will understand Serbian in the end.
Illyrian princess. You are nether Illyrian nor princess. Stop with delusions.
 
April 21, 2009
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Illyrian Princess said:

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I think what the Serbs really meant was "Speak Serbian and the whole world will understand you".
 
April 20, 2009
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Name said:

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“Speak Serbian for the God to understand you” – Serbian proverb

THERE IS NO SUCH SERBIAN PROVERB !
 
April 20, 2009
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JC said:

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Another option: both communities could communicate with English as a second language.
 
April 20, 2009
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Arian Xhezairi said:

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Wisely said. This is a glimmering hope for a healthy economical living in Kosova for the minorities. A must though, take it or break it.
 
April 20, 2009
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