Comments for Why recognize Kosovo at http://www.newkosovareport.com , comment 1 to 23 out of 20 comments http://www.newkosovareport.com Wed, 09 Jul 2008 07:50:23 +0100 FeedCreator 1.7.2 http://www.newkosovareport.com/20080411858/Views-and-Analysis/Why-recognize-Kosovo.html#comment-1676 FOR THE SERBS ,YOU GYS ARE VERY LUCKY THAT ALBANIANS ARE NOT UNITED AND MENY OF THEM DO NOT NO THER HISTORY WHAT THE SERBS DID TO THEM. AND IF THEY ARE SMART THEY STOP WITH THIS. IF A MEN LIKE ME WIL COM IN POWER I WILL SEND THEM BACK TOO THER HOMELAND RUSIA OR HELL GREATINGS ILIRYAN EMPIRE LONG LIVE DARDANIA - iliryan emperor Mon, 16 Jun 2008 12:15:43 +0100 http://www.newkosovareport.com/20080411858/Views-and-Analysis/Why-recognize-Kosovo.html#comment-1506 Quote: Romania's objections [...] are rather obscure. Romania's relationship with Serbia was always bewildering. [...] While Romania takes its stance against Kosovo's independence for its personal reasons, at the same time Romania is threatening the unity of NATO and EU and perhaps blindly siding with Russia. Romania, Slovakia and Spain splitting from the EU position on Kosovo is exactly what Russia had been dreaming. END OF QUOTE As a Romanian, I consider these words complete nonsense. Obviously, the authors have no idea about Romania's position and the way is is argued. Labeling it as "personal reasons" doesn't mean it is groundless. (Nota bene: one may say that Kosovo Albanians had plenty of "personal reasons" to declare independence, isn't so?) As for threatening unity of NATO and EU - these two organizations survived Iraq invasion by US (a far bigger problem, speaking from a general point of view and without intention to minimize the importance of Kosovo case) therefore they will survive Kosovo crisis, too. Also, to accuse Romania of "siding with Russia" shows that authors have no idea about Romanian hard feelings against Russia (be it Tzarist or Soviet), which are centuries old. The authors' logic is a reverse of the old "those not with us me are against us). Childish. Maybe Kosovo should see how Germans and other "hardcore" EU members (and great friends of Kosovo) are trying to please Russia whenever possible, just to secure their energy supplies. By the way, this was very visible just couple weeks ago, guess where? At the BUCAREST NATO Summit! I am amazed by the confidence Kosovo people seem to have in the illusion that Western Powers are supporting Pristina because they care about Kosovo Albanains and their sufferance (which is not to be denied). It is all about politics, money, oil, power! The brute force and big money are not automatically to replace justice, especially in international arena, as it used to be in 19 Century. So if USA says something, doesn't mean it is right. This also applies for Romania, Slovakia and Spain. If we keep this mentality of "power first, international legislation second", then the first in danger will be Kosovo, not Romania or Spain. Therefore, a rhetoric question: whom do you think will be abandoned by USA and Western Europeans when, at the negotiations table, Russia will show of it's "energy muscle"? It will be Spain, Romania, Slovakia, or it will be Kosovo? Last but not least, why nobody dedicates a consistent time and editorial space to explain what are the arguments/reasons/concerns of those EU countries reluctant to recognize Kosovo? This way of depicting, in just few lines, either Romania, Slovakia, Spain or Cyprus (and others) as "abnormal EU members" it's deeply insulting. Are they less worthy, our opinions? How Kosovo people, or Kosovo rulers/intellectuals are hoping to convince us about their righteousness, if they do not ask and do not listen? Just repeating over and over that "Romania, Slovakia, Spain are in minority in EU when is about recognizing Kosovo" will not resolve the problem... PS: I don't know for Spain or Slovakia, but in Romania there is a historical Albanian minority living for centuries, having a reserved seat in the Parliament, museums, NGOs, public funds etc. , they may be contacted freely and asked to explain in depth Romania's position... - George Fri, 09 May 2008 10:26:19 +0100 http://www.newkosovareport.com/20080411858/Views-and-Analysis/Why-recognize-Kosovo.html#comment-1331 Yugoslavia was not Serbia. Serbia is not Yugoslavia. The New Yugoslav Constitution in 1974 gave to Kosova the autonomy from Serbia. “Following serious rioting by Kosovars in 1968 (and with the Soviet invasion of Czechoslovakia pushing Albania and Yugoslavia toward greater cooperation), Tito increased federal funding to Kosova. In 1974, a new Yugoslav constitution gave the Kosovo provincial assembly the right to elect its own representatives to the Chamber of Republics and Provinces of the Yugoslav federal legislature”. All 6 Republics of the Federate of Yugoslavia recognized this new Status of Kosova. http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/62/094.html On July 5, 1990, the Serbian parliament (Illegally and Unilaterally) abolished Kosova's political autonomy and dissolved its provincial assembly and government. The only Albanian-language daily newspaper, Rilindja, was banned, as were all TV and radio broadcasts in Albanian. The UN Resolution 1244 does not give any right to Serbia over the Kosova. http://www.nato.int/kosovo/docu/u990610a.htm In the contrary point Nr10, and point Nr5 of the Annex Nr 2, gave to Kosova “Substantial autonomy within the Federal Republic of Yugoslavia, and which will provide transitional administration while establishing and overseeing the development of provisional democratic self-governing institutions to ensure conditions for a peaceful and normal life for all inhabitants of Kosovo”. That means Recognized the Status given to Kosova by constitution of Federal Yugoslavia on 1974. “In 1974, a new Yugoslav constitution gave the Kosovo provincial assembly the right to elect its own representatives to the Chamber of Republics and Provinces of the Yugoslav federal legislature”. I can’t comprehend how a minority of 7% of the population, pretend to take off the land, the language, culture and the life of the rest of Kosova. Kosovars have the right to live free and independent in their land where they are born, generation after generation, live and will die. http://www.gendercide.org/case_kosovo.html - bluerose799 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 14:20:02 +0100 http://www.newkosovareport.com/20080411858/Views-and-Analysis/Why-recognize-Kosovo.html#comment-1262 More than four IIIyrian Entities compose Albania. LABEATS, TAULANTS, ALBANS, ENKELEIS, DARASETS and KAONS. All of them speaks Illyrian language but with different dialects. Three first has a very distinct Illyrian dialect named GEGE and the rest has another Illyrian dialect named TOSKE. On 1912 they united in one single state and agreed to be named Eagle’s Land. SHQIPERIA. The foreign “SKOLARS” named Albania based on the name of only one of the Entities. This was not only Ignorance but also a big mistake of these “very educated Scholars“. The situation then was so critical for SHQIPETARET, so they accepted any injustice and compromise. This was the big price they pay to gain the independence. Of course many other Illyrian entities was ignored. This has been done in purpose to use Illyrian territories as a trade merchandise to please slavics, which in return were used in two wars. The Slavics paid their price. They lost 56 million people 1908 – 1946. Illyrian paid bigger price. They were spread over 5 different states. It's about time to recognize the historical right of Kosova (Dardania) to have its destiny fulfilled-That is full independence. Kosova never was a Serbian province. It was there, since the times of birth of European civilization, a very distinct Dardanian/llyrian identity. Always populated by Dardanias who, although under constant pressure of forcefully migration by Serbian shovinism, Tito's Yugoslavia & Milloshevic's Serbia, still make up 92% of the population. They speak ilirian language with the dialect GEGE. Serbs always have been a minority there. We know that Serbs appeared in Balkans (then llyria) only by the 6th Century AD, and they speak a language more similar to Ukrainian then Russian. They have always been a minority and 'the story' of Kosova being the Heartland of Serbia is just a pure Serbian nationalist fantasy. Facts Speak Louder Than Words and Serbian’s Lies Will Collapse by Themselves. Serbs always have been considered as oppressors there, not just by Albanian majority, but also by other ethnic groups too. Serbs just occupied Kosova during the rise of the Serbian nationalism early 20th century from Ottomans, who by then were loosing the Balkans after 500 years of occupation. The borders of Kosova are well established and recognized. Now Kosova should be Free! http://www.hartford-hwp.com/archives/62/094.html I can’t comprehend how a minority of 7% of the population, pretend to take off the land, the language, culture and the life of the rest of Kosova. Kosovars have the right to live free and independent in their land where they are born, generation after generation, live and will die. http://www.gendercide.org/case_kosovo.html - bluerose799 Thu, 17 Apr 2008 21:14:38 +0100 http://www.newkosovareport.com/20080411858/Views-and-Analysis/Why-recognize-Kosovo.html#comment-1227 kosovo is serbia, get off your clouds theives.shame you cant seem to comprehend the legal formalities of life - Filip Tue, 15 Apr 2008 23:56:53 +0100 http://www.newkosovareport.com/20080411858/Views-and-Analysis/Why-recognize-Kosovo.html#comment-1164 Interesting and thoughtful argument, and the last point is a significant one. If other countries see the special circumstances of Kosovan independence as having resonance within their own frontiers they should be dealing with the substantive issues rather than objecting to the principle. - Owen Sun, 13 Apr 2008 10:40:40 +0100 http://www.newkosovareport.com/20080411858/Views-and-Analysis/Why-recognize-Kosovo.html#comment-1159 Great Article Gent and Arianit! - Illyrian Princess Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:49:10 +0100 http://www.newkosovareport.com/20080411858/Views-and-Analysis/Why-recognize-Kosovo.html#comment-1152 Still singing the same old song! First to say that Kosovo is independent, is flawed, as a definition and infact, a reality kosovo as it exists at this time, is far from being independent. it is in fact symbolic, like its flag that no one waves and its proposed anthem, that no one will sing! "We could be assumptive ..."? You are assumptive!!! You point at Romanian reasons for none recognition as being purely obscure, you are the journalist, maybe a little research may have helped you! You point at Cyprus as an argument as to why recognition should be adopted ???? A situation of reunification, not turmoil, conflict and separation. I have yet to see any form of effort made by thaci and co to make head way and support and protect all the peoples in the region, Ok a meeting was held in mitrovica yesterday where the main proposal of bridging the gap between etnic groups, was to propose the building of a athletics stadium! You've got a long way to go !!! Has expected you also take on the typical US rhetoric with regards to Russia. Like it or not Russia is a major player in the world and it is imperative that she strenghens her situation and re establishs her place, so that the lunatic in the white house is kept in check when it comes to foriegn policy. Don't get too confortable just look at some of the countries they have supported in the past! I also find it berwildering that the chorus of this song, continues to point to the evil Serbs as perpetrators and yourselves as purely innocent! Please!!!! Understand that you will too have to recognise the crimes and shame that you have committed as a people just like Serbia has had to recognise the crimes done in her name. Maybe its time for you to change your tune or even stop singing and do something worthy that derserves some recognition rather than expecting the US and others to constantly prop you up!!!!! INDEPENDENCE!!!!!!!!??????? - Pavle Sat, 12 Apr 2008 09:01:19 +0100 http://www.newkosovareport.com/20080411858/Views-and-Analysis/Why-recognize-Kosovo.html#comment-1146 Agreed with Giani! Why KI-Moon do not open his mouth about kurdish people? Simple Turkey is an american friend.No oil in there, no place for bases , all belongs to the turks...so is cheaper to clame that the inocent kurds massacred by turks are terrorists.They have more right to be free than the kosovars! Just after the war US built 2 bases in kosovo...independece followed.To the brave heros of kosova will be good to read the book of Carla del Ponte.Will find quicly how civilized are the kosovars.I'm not pretending the serbs are best... but never turn your finger to the oposite direction. Watch yourself in the mirror! - Serge Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:19:36 +0100 http://www.newkosovareport.com/20080411858/Views-and-Analysis/Why-recognize-Kosovo.html#comment-1145 Great work guys, spot on and eloquently argued, well done. Kosova needed its "New Kosova Report" long before, well done for generating this efficient medium in English, have you done anything to get in google news again? Your blogspot use to be sometime ago but then unfortunately it got austed, surely not by coincidence. - alban bytyci Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:05:39 +0100 http://www.newkosovareport.com/20080411858/Views-and-Analysis/Why-recognize-Kosovo.html#comment-1144 Six pivotal themes in Serbian propaganda are : 1. Victimization, in which Serbs were constructed as collective victims first of the NDH, then of Tito’s Yugoslavia, and more specifically of Croats, Albanians, Bosnians, and other non-Serbs. 2. Dehumanization of designated ‘others’, in which Croats were depicted as ‘genocidal’ and as ‘Ustaše’, Bosnians were portrayed as ‘fanatical fundamentalists’, and Albanians were represented as not fully human. These processes of dehumanization effectively removed these designated ‘others’ from the moral field, sanctifying their murder or expulsion. 3. Belittlement, in which Serbia’s enemies were represented as beneath contempt. 4. Conspiracy, in which Croats, Slovenes, Albanians, the Vatican, Germany, Austria, and sometimes also the Bosnians as well as the U.S. and other foreign states, were seen as united in a conspiracy to break up the SFRY and hurt Serbia. In this way, the Belgrade regime’s obstinate disregard for the fundamental standards of international law was dressed up as heroic defiance of an anti-Serb conspiracy. 5. Entitlement, in which the Serbs were constructed as ‘entitled’ to create a Greater Serbian state to which parts of Croatia and Bosnia would be attached, under the motto,’ All Serbs should live in one state.’ 6. Superhuman powers and divine sanction. The Serbs were told that they were, in some sense, “super”. They were the best fighters on the planet, they could stand up to the entire world, and they were sanctioned by God himself, because of Tsar Lazar and the fact that Lazar had chosen the heavenly kingdom. Moreover, since Lazar had chosen the heavenly kingdom, the Serbs, encouraged to view themselves as Lazar’s heirs, were entitled to the earthly kingdom which Lazar had repudiated, as their patrimony. - Albiqete Sat, 12 Apr 2008 03:01:11 +0100 http://www.newkosovareport.com/20080411858/Views-and-Analysis/Why-recognize-Kosovo.html#comment-1136 To all that come here to do a propaganda that brings nothing but hatred. Kosova is Albania Serbia is Siberia Cheers! - Anastasia Fri, 11 Apr 2008 22:24:10 +0100 http://www.newkosovareport.com/20080411858/Views-and-Analysis/Why-recognize-Kosovo.html#comment-1135 I respect the point when Serbs try to claim Kosovo as theirs, but before someone who doesnt know the history, should go back and see the facts that Albanians were always there, and not as Serbs claim that Kosovo was their from 14th century. Serbs talk since then, but before that who was living there? Albanians of course. Regarding the Kosovo being part of Serbia in the ex-Yugoslavian state, well you are wrong again. See Noel Malcolm, a world known historan. Kosovo was part of Yugoslavian Confederation and had the same right as any other Republic in the Confederation. Why Kosovo was left an autonomous province and not a Republic? Well if you look the congress of Berlin and the Conference of Ambasadors in London 1912-1913 everything is in there. Albanian borders were ripped apart. So I know Serbs are upset, but thats due to the propaganda of Serbian politics. Why the majority of Europe accepted Kosovo's Independence? You think they didnt know this?! - NYC Fri, 11 Apr 2008 21:37:14 +0100 http://www.newkosovareport.com/20080411858/Views-and-Analysis/Why-recognize-Kosovo.html#comment-1134 HMMM who has a better chance of getting into the EU Kosova or Serbia?? the countdown begins... Fact 1 - Kosova already uses EURO for currencyand yet Serbia is stuck on Dinars. Fact 2 - Serbia has caused 4 wars and genocides in ONE decade Kosova has caused none ( in fact Kosova is the victim of one of the wars and genocides). Fact 3 - Serbians have murdered/massacred/ethnic cleanst HUNDRED THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE (and they still expect to join the EU) very ironic!! Fact 4 - Kosova has already proved that they are a civilized country, and show the same rights to the minorities as it does to the majority. Unlike Serbia, which it ethnic cleanst minorities, MOST evident in BOSNIA and KOSOVA, did not show any rights especially to the Albanian population in Kosova, where not once was the Albanian language spoken in the Serbian Parliament. In Kosova, as we've all seen the prime minister adressed the crowed both in ALBANIAN and SERBIAN. THAT HAS NEVER EVER HAPPENED IN SERBIA. It just goes to show that Kosova is following Ahtissaris Plan in making a WAYYbetter community for its people compared to Serbia. - Tringa Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:08:05 +0100 http://www.newkosovareport.com/20080411858/Views-and-Analysis/Why-recognize-Kosovo.html#comment-1125 @ Srbija "Kosovo is Serbia province and their not going to let go of it, they rather die then have Kosovo belong to some albanians!" That statement requires a small alteration, in fact, it should be "they would rather [kill] than have Kosova belong to some albanians!"... My friend, Kosova is Kosova, and that is that. The sooner you realize, the sooner, Serbia is Serbia, by that I mean they actually realize their potential rather than fall back into the plague that is ultra-nationalism. @No Independece In referring to your name, it is actually spelled "Independence", trust me, I know, I'm a Kosovar. As for your mention that "And only 75 Albanians lost their lives before Nato started the air-campaign against Serbia! ", you are horribly mistaken. Remember NATO went after Serbian military targets and not innocent Albanian civilians, it was the Serbian army and paramilitary's job to go after innocent Albanian civilians! Just to give you a better idea, the number is more like 10,000-12,000 Albanians losing their lives with 1,500 or more missing after the war. @ Ronald "independent Kosovo will take at least 30 to 50 years to get ready for the EU" That is quite innacurate, I would put the number at more like 7-15, only time will tell which one of us is right there. The only country I envision joining in that distant of a future...is...well Vojvodina. ;) (Just thought to spice things up with some humor) Hope that clears things up, by the way, congrats on a well-written piece Gent and Arianit! Cheers! - KS Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:23:00 +0100 http://www.newkosovareport.com/20080411858/Views-and-Analysis/Why-recognize-Kosovo.html#comment-1124 Yep I do agree with Anastasia. The article it spot on. Kosova no longer is part of Serbia, and in a very short period of time, Kosova will be in the EU that's before Serbia. The Kosovars are moving forward, they are not stuck in the past as serbs are. Kosova has a bright future. Just wait until the investments start. - Leon Fri, 11 Apr 2008 16:11:14 +0100 http://www.newkosovareport.com/20080411858/Views-and-Analysis/Why-recognize-Kosovo.html#comment-1123 Why do you allow such comments that only 75 Kosovars lost their lives before NATO bombing. That is purly insane propaganda and should not be allowed. The number of dead Kosovars in more than 10, 000 and only the ones who cannot be found is greater than that number. Please allow only comments that experss some truth behind them and not comments that someone takes from their @$$ and decides to put them here!!! Someone who knows nothing about Kosovo might actually believe such nonsense. Kudos to you on the article. All the Countries will eventually recognize Kosova as a soverign country. Its just a matter of time. Serbia will not be able to do anything about this, especially now that their alliance will be with Russina and the SRS back to their government. This showes them to only take backward steps and that is in our advantage. They will weaken themselves more while we will only get ahead. - Mr X Fri, 11 Apr 2008 15:50:38 +0100 http://www.newkosovareport.com/20080411858/Views-and-Analysis/Why-recognize-Kosovo.html#comment-1119 I would just like to that the albanians will not be able to survive without Serbia as they have been supported for a very long time now.Kosovo is Serbia and will remain it no matter what other countries say.Kosovo is Serbia province and their not going to let go of it, they rather die then have Kosovo belong to some albanians! KOSOVO IS SERBIA!!!!!!! - srbija Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:04:47 +0100 http://www.newkosovareport.com/20080411858/Views-and-Analysis/Why-recognize-Kosovo.html#comment-1118 so, from what you gathered, serbia doesn't have a chance. the fact that no one has any interests in weak serbia means that serbians will become more dependent to an economically-powerful kosovo. and this exactly means that they're going to recognize you sooner or later. after serbian's recognition, no one has any excuses to deny kosovo's independence. you see, everything lies beneath strong economy. - perham Fri, 11 Apr 2008 13:02:40 +0100 http://www.newkosovareport.com/20080411858/Views-and-Analysis/Why-recognize-Kosovo.html#comment-1115 I suggest you read some works of Scott Taylor, and everone else hwo thinks Kosovo should be independet. He was acctually one western reporter in Kosovo during the bombardment and the war raignig between Albanian separtists and Serbs. Look it in this way insteed: 180.000 Kurds were killed in a genocide by Saddam Hussein. Is that not a argument for why Kurds cannot possbly be a part of Iraq? How many Albanians lost their lives? Not 100.000! And only 75 Albanians lost their lives before Nato started the air-campaign against Serbia! - No independece Fri, 11 Apr 2008 11:39:47 +0100